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Jade
Pindleskin Fact Sheet

Q) Who is he and why is he so popular?

A) Pindleskin is in the top Monster Level (ML). As such, he is able to drop *ANY* item in the game. Anything from a cracked sash to a Windforce. This is not a new fact and has been known for quite some time. He does not stand alone in this ML though, the other monsters that also share this ML are: Snapchip, Frozenstein and Thresh Socket. What makes Pindleskin so popular though is how easy he is to kill and how fast you can get to him. With some programs it is possible to do a Pindleskin run in under 15 seconds!

Q) If he can drop any item in the game, why do I get crap?

A) Well, his ML is a big part of the problem. Because he can drop any item in the game, the odds are actually against you that a Windforce will pop out. He has a 0.75324% chance of dropping a Super Healing Potion, a 0.0010831% chance of dropping a Hydra Bow and a 7.5389e-8 % (that is scientific notation) chance of dropping a Zod rune. As you can see, the chance of him dropping a Hydra Bow are pretty slim.

Q) Ok, but I have seen him drop a Hydra Bow before, but it was not a Windforce. What's up with that?

A) Well, this is where Magic Find comes into play. When you kill Pindleskin, the server basicly 'rolls the dice' to see what type of item will be dropped. As you can see, you only have a 0.0010831% chance of Hydra Bow being picked. If you get lucky and the server says 'Ok, you get a Hydra Bow' your MF percentage is now taken into account. If you have 350% MF, you have a 350% better chance of it being a Windforce.

Q) All those numbers sure are pretty, but my friend told me if I kill Pindleskin on a Tuesday, while scratching a black cat and eating an orange, I will get a Windforce. True?

A) Not at all. The numbers are built into the game. There is no 'secret MF percentage'. More is *ALWAYS* better, no matter what anyone says. If you can beat the first set of odds, the 0.0010831%, your MF comes into play and you have a better chance of getting a Windforce. The hard part is beating the 0.0010831%.

Q) Ok, so how the heck do I better my odds?

A) Kill Pindleskin as many times and as fast as you absolutly can. If you have 1000% MF and can only kill Pindleskin once every minute, you are actually worse off then someone with 100% MF who can kill Pindleskin four times a minute. The person with the lesser MF has a four times greater chance of beating the 0.0010831% odds then you. Of course, they will have a bit of a penalty when Hydra Bow is picked to be dropped, but they make up for that in the sheer numbers of runs they can do. Remember, high MF is good, but speed is better :)

Q) Ok, I have killed Pindleskin 50 times now. I can kill him really fast and my MF is about 500%. I didn't get a Windforce yet. WTF???

A) I will refer you back to this number: 0.0010831% Those are *TERRIBLE* odds. Go to Vegas with odds like that and you will lose every time. It takes time. It takes patience. Get a bot and let him do the runs for you. You will have better odds that way. Not *WAY* better odds, but still, something is better then nothing.

Q) Ok, set aside everything you just typed. I have it on good authority (I mean, I saw it in the chat channel) that Pindleskin is nerfed. True?

A) Possibly, but not very likely. Blizzard could nerf him if they wanted, but with the already bad odds you have now, why make it even worse? Most people, as soon as they have a couple runs with nothing found, immediatly holler 'Pindleskin is nerfed!!'. I know I mention it a lot, but it is a vitaly important number: 0.0010831%. This number, combined with bad luck, are what is preventing you from the good stuff.

credit goes to snarg of BH and ME and Halo

Angel
also, the odds of finding anything is shit on pindle, I can't even find a decent rare from him, hell, in an hour all I found on mephy with 199% MF was a unique decapitor(hellslayer) and a few other craps like GA and tals belt and those kinds of things

Deathknight
I killed pindle alot only thing he ever dopped was a 152% titans

silverpaus
oh, you did, did you...... :D

Deathknight
...yeah

nicodemus_5.0
the only things with a higher Ml then pindle are cows and nithalank.

Deathknight
arnt cows 87 and pindle 90?

Justin
Originally posted by Deathknight
arnt cows 87 and pindle 90?


All monsters can drop everything up to the listed TC's. For example Hephasto can drop Armor and Weapon 3, 6, 9, 12... up to 78, 81, and 84. But he tops out there, he can't drop any items in 87 or 90.

Moo Moo Farm
Hell Bovines: Can't drop Armor or Weapon 90.

Cow King: Drops up to Weap/Armo 66. (Yes, that's all, and Nightmare Cow King is the same TC range, though much lower Runes, so the Hell King is a bug or something weird. Nightmare Baal drops up to 63, for sake of comparison.)

Super Uniques

Hephasto: Can't drop Armor or Weapon 87 or 90.

Eldritch: Can't drop Armor or Weapon 84, 87, or 90.

Shenk: Can't drop Armor or Weapon 87 or 90.

Bonesaw Breaker: Can't drop Armor or Weapon 87 or 90. (Glacial Trail)

Nihlathak: Can't drop Armor or Weapon 90.

Pindleskin: Can drop everything.

Snapchip Shatter: Can drop everything. (Icy Cellar)

Thresh Socket: Can drop everything. (Frigid Highlands)

Colenzo the Annihilator: Can drop everything. (Baal's Minion #1)

Achmel the Cursed: Can drop everything. (Baal's Minion #2)

Bartuc the Bloody: Can drop everything. (Baal's Minion #3)

Ventar the Unholy: Can drop everything. (Baal's Minion #4)

Lister the Tormentor: Can drop everything. (Baal's Minion #5)

Act Bosses
Andariel: Can't drop Armor or Weapon 72 or higher, or any runes higher than Lo (#28).

Mephisto: Can't drop Armor or Weapon 81, 84, 87, or 90. Or Zod.

Diablo: Can't drop Armor or Weapon 87 or 90.

Baal: Can't drop Armor or Weapon 90.


Treasure Classes. These are of use to compare to what each monster can't drop. You can see how these work in the D2X economy by noting how much scarcer and more expensive everything above what Meph can drop is, since so many people do Meph runs to gather up their equipment. Many of the best Uniques and Sets are of the following item types. Remember, Hell Meph can't drop any of these.

Armor

Armor 81: Aegis, Conqueror Crown, Kraken Shell (M'avina's Embrace), Mirrored Boots, Spired Helm (Veil of Steel and Ondal's Almighty), Succubae Skull.

Armor 84: Archon Plate, Bone Visage (Trang's Helm), Lacquered Plate (Tal Rasha's Armor), Sky Spirit, Troll Belt (Trang's Belt), Ward (Heaven's Taeback), Zakarum Shield (The Herald of Zakarum is the unique Gilded Shield, not a Zakarum shield, the names are the same, but there is no other connection. The Herald of Zakarum is exceptional, not elite.)

Armor 87: Bloodlord Skull, Diadem (M'avina's True Sight), Guardian Crown, Myrmidon Greaves, Ogre Gauntlets, Shadow Plate (Aldur's Deception).

Armor 90: Colossus Girdle, Corona (Griswold's Honor), Dream Spirit, Sacred Armor (Immortal King's Soul Cage), Vortex Shield (Griswold's Honor).

Weapons
Weapon 81: Colossal Sword, Cryptic Axe, Ghost Glaive, Matriarchal Pike, Runic Talons, War Spike, Ward Bow, Winged Axe.

Weapon 84: Champion Axe (Messerschmidt's Reaver), Cryptic Sword (Sazabi's Sword), Demon Crossbow, Fanged Knife, Ghost Spear, Great Poleaxe, Legendary Mallet (Schaefer's Hammer), Shillelagh, Vortex Orb.

Weapon 87: Berserker Axe, Colossus Blade (Bul Kathos Sacred Charge and Grandfather), Hydra Bow (Windforce), Scissors Suwayyah (Natalya's Mark), Thunder Maul (Cranium Basher), Unearthed Wand, Winged Harpoon.

Weapon 90: Giant Thresher (Stormspire), Glorious Axe, Legend Spike, Mythical Sword (Bul Kathos Tribal Guardian), War Pike, Archon Staff, Caduceus (Griswold's Redemption), Dimensional Shard.

Bryan
The best thing I've gotten off of Mephisto was a Bul-Kathos Ring. That was with less then 300% mf and in hell. I'm at 320% now and I still can't find all that much.

-B

Deathknight
i got like close to 700% I find lotsa stuff sometimes, and sometimes nuttin